Is Jesus Christ God?

2009 November 6
by kittykit

This debate took place in March of 2008 in Fullerton, California. This is part 1 of 2. For further information, visit us at www.aomin.org

from → Islam, Jesus Christ

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  1. 2009 November 6
    kari8 permalink

    That is really upsetting that they teach that “Christians” are responsible for the wars and killings in Iraq. I think Pastor White did a great job, especially pointing out how Jalal got up there and said, “Oh, it is a disgrace to debate the Koran” or whatever, yet he can call Jesus demonic and the devil. Wow, this was very frustrating.

  2. 2009 November 6
    kittykit permalink

    Very frusterating.

  3. 2009 November 7
    Mama harper permalink

    I tried to watch this twice yesterday and I could not get them to load properly. I will try again today. I am frustrated before I even watch them, not good. This video is interesting too if you guys have not seen it.

  4. 2009 November 7
    kittykit permalink

    No link came through B….repost it please. Try going directly to google video and see if you can watch them there… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tqlKW8qQ5A and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yTlx943q28&feature=channel

    These were just incredible. The difference in personalities and knowledge was just fantastic. It was no suprise because you can not prove nor defend a lie, but it was so frusterating listening to the deceived one and the horrible things he said about Jesus Christ and I had to make myself hear him out, but he could not prove one single point he was trying to make. His final argument was basically that christians invaded Iraq.

  5. 2009 November 7
    kari8 permalink

    What got my feathers all ruffled was him saying that the Catholics are the Christians, we are just some small, defiant sect. He wouldn’t have much to debate with a Catholic though, since he was praising Mary and those beads. It makes me so upset that when people hear Christian, they think “Catholics”, when they aren’t even Christian, but the cult of Mary.

    This guy acts like the numbers make a religion legit, but Jesus said, there are but a few that find that narrow gate and God says that He always leaves a remnant. History shows that God’s chosen have always been a small minority in this sinful world.

  6. 2009 November 7
    Mama harper permalink

    This is just awful, and in light of what happened at Fort Hood it seems this pot of evil is still brewing just as strong as ever. I am going to try this link again.

    http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=2c15b61faed98ef85771

  7. 2009 November 7
    kari8 permalink

    Oh B that’s awful, that video is just a sign of things to come I think. How horrible for those people. Muslims are the fastest growing population in the world because they have an average of 4 or more children and Christians have less than 2. Did you see how intollerant that Jalal was? He can say whatever he wants, but don’t you dare speak a harsh word or question the Koran, you infedel! It is exactly how God told Sarah that the line of Ishmael would be. Fascinating to see how those words were written 4000 years ago and are a prophesy that cannot be denied.

  8. 2009 November 7
    Lisa permalink

    Good point, Kari. I was afraid old Jalal was going to put a fatwah out on Pastor White for insulting the ‘holy Koran’! Yet I thought the pastor was much more respectful of their beliefs than Jalal was of ours. He didn’t seem very well informed either.

    I hope I spelled’fatwah’ right.

  9. 2009 November 7
    Lisa permalink

    B., sadly I wasn’t surprised when I heard the man’s name that was responsible for the Ft. Hood massacre. I even told my daughter that we will find that there will have been many warning signs with this character.- that a lot of people will know of his hatred of us. And that looks to be the case.
    I think that man’s beliefs were very similar to Jalal’s.- Especially in that he looked at this war as some sort of ‘holy war’. I listened to an interview about a week ago on TruNews with a man named Daniel Hill and it gave me a bit of insight as to how these Muslims think. Dan Hill was one of two men who predicted not only 9-11, but the 93 World Trade Center attack, as well. He ia an Ameican ex special forces combat veteran, mercenary, and a Muslim convert. In 1998, he was in talks with the FBI and CIA to try and assassinate Bin Ladin because he knew they were getting ready to attack America. He expects us to be attacked with suitcase nukes pretty soon and he had some interesting info to back up his theories.
    Kit, I also saw an episode posted on TruNews about the Vatican’s endosing of Obama’s policies. I haven’t listened to it yet, but if y’all are interested I can post a link and give you the dates of the shows. I’m not that crazy about the site because I think Rick Wiles is a bit kooky and somewhat of a fear monger, but a lot of his guests and interviews are very interesting.

  10. 2009 November 7
    kittykit permalink

    Sure post the link. It will be something to listen to…

  11. 2009 November 7
    mrsbucket permalink

    This is all happening strangely, Kit did you post all this prior to fort hood? It’s kinda scary girls, the US media seems to be asleep at the wheel on all of this but our kitty kit is all over it. Lisa post the link, it sounds very interesting. kari what an awesome observation…it is interesting to watch all this happen in a way. Now the suitcase nukes, how much damage do those do? I need to read more about that too.

    Thank you Jesus that you are with us!

  12. 2009 November 7
    kittykit permalink

    I posted on November 4th. I got an e-mail from a guy who claimed Islam was a peaceful religion and that they worshipped the same god as the Christians and the Jews. I sent him a link that pointed out all the war vs in the qur’an and he told me I was getting the information from a right wing site. I found four posts I liked, posted 2 on the fourth and scheduled the others for the next 2 days…but did it all at the same time, yes, since wordpress lets you schedule posts before hand.

    But guys, honestly, be careful with this whole Fort Hood thing. I don’t buy it. I don’t buy the story at all. America wants a reason to go to war with Iran. If they can somehow come up with a reason, whether it be real or not, they will. I’m sorry, but this whole thing is really fishy to me….

  13. 2009 November 8
    Lisa permalink

    Here’s the link to Trunews. Just page down and the Vatican show was on Nov.5 and the Daniel Hill inteview was on Oct.27. The Dan Hill interview doesn’t begin until 40 minutes into the show so you may want to skip to that point. I really wish the whole show had been with him. Although he is a bit rough around the edges, and says it like it is, I find him very fascinating,- and pretty macho too.lol B., from what he said, I think a suitcase nuke would pretty much destroy a good square mile or more of area.
    http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm
    Kit, I’m glad you said that about the Ft. Hood thing sounding fishy because I’ve had the same thoughts. The timing seemed awfully convenient to me too.

  14. 2009 November 8
    kari8 permalink

    I agree completely Kit. As soon as I heard that the guy was a Muslim and he conveniently yelled “Allah Akbar” or whatever, I knew it sounded a little too clean and perfect. Since we have begun focusing on Afghanistan, have you noticed how all of the sudden the soldiers are dying there again (with little activity for the past 8 years) and then suddenly we have arrests in New York of terror cells, people being shot at a Jewish synagogue in California. No activity for 8 years while we’re busy in Iraq, but then all of the sudden, the Muslim Fear propaganda is taken off the shelf and dusted off. I have been reading reports from papers outside of the US that our soldiers are already in Pakistan. We need to keep our eyes on Pakistan and Iran. The government is getting ready for one of these, but they need to pull out the “outrage and fear” of Muslims to get the American Psyche behind it. Clearly a new Psyops war is being waged on the American people.

    Thanks for the link, Lisa. I needed something to listen to while I clean my upstairs (not my brain, my house).

    I have been re-reading Genesis again. I see the prophesy for Ishmael and then how Esau, after being betrayed by Isaac, chose to marry into the line of Ishmael. “Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated”. Also interesting is the names of the lines of Ishmael, creatin Elam (Iran). There are a lot of names and tribes formed during this time, that are very significant for today. Laban, Rebekah’s brother and torturer of Jacob, was known as an Assyrian, the first in the Bible. Assyrian is the name of the son of perdition. This is really good topic that I am going to be researching, the Lord gave many prophesy’s to these people that I think will be helpful in understanding the times and what the Lord has to say about the nation of Islam.

  15. 2009 November 8
    mrsbucket permalink

    I have been reading on some of the military blogs, and so far a handful of people think this is fishy that I can find. This is an interesting thread, scroll almost all the way down for more….past all the f words lol. It’s kind of unreal that an overweight pencil pusher basically could wipe out this many combat trained folks on a military base? Oh and that the military first announced he was dead. Since when is there this much confusion on a military base? Even in this sort of a situation, they would be the place most likely prepared for this sort of thing, right? Very strange….

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message916679/pg4

    One more blog with former military guys, if I find anything relevant I will post it.

  16. 2009 November 8
    mrsbucket permalink

    Ok fishier by the moment.

    This has interesting stuff about VA Tech and MK Ultra and this guy
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread517143/pg1

    And how odd that the day the 20th celebration of the Wall coming down in Berlin Obama decides to stay home and cheer on Native Americans instead? And the good old stock market rallied this day of course, since war makes for a good economic move. I think it’s sort of weird that 13 people were killed (nice number) and that the office building in the Orlando Shootings was on like “Legion place” or something. I know Legion was in the address….rabbit trails probably but there is way too much spin going on over this. I will leave it alone for now but if I find anything else I will post it. Kit if this stuff is stupid you can delete these posts, no big deal. Just digging!

  17. 2009 November 8
    kittykit permalink

    Hey Kari…meanwhile we also have the swine flu distraction while the UN works behind the scened to move us ever closer to globalism. In addition, the Health Care reform stuff passed in the House this week but will “supposedly” have a rough time passing in the Senate. Yeah right. It will pass, and if this current plan does not pass, revisions will be made…for the worse, and the revision will pass. Just like with the bail outs. Distraction after distraction. Propaganda upon propaganda. We live in a big lie. What else is new eh?

  18. 2009 November 8
    kittykit permalink

    I don’t think it’s stupid B. I think there is totally something to it. All this stuff that you are bringing up shows how fabricated it all is. And it is fabricated. It’s created to incite fear and hate so the powerful can gain more power and the little people can beg for more protection from their fearless government. Totally what you would expect from the prince of this world. He’s not stupid. He knows exactly how to manipulate the human mind to get what he wants done. I loved the scripture you sent today by the way….

    Psalm 91
    Safety of Abiding in the Presence of God
    1 He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High
    Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
    2 I will say of the LORD, “He is my refuge and my fortress;
    My God, in Him I will trust.”

    3 Surely He shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler[a]
    And from the perilous pestilence.
    4 He shall cover you with His feathers,
    And under His wings you shall take refuge;
    His truth shall be your shield and buckler.
    5 You shall not be afraid of the terror by night,
    Nor of the arrow that flies by day,
    6 Nor of the pestilence that walks in darkness,
    Nor of the destruction that lays waste at noonday.

  19. 2009 November 8
    Lisa permalink

    Everything you girls have said has occured to me too. I think Kit’s right about it being used to instill hate and fear in the populace so we will willingly give up our liberties, what few we have left. I think the powers that be will spin the giving up of liberty under a veil of liberty such as a RIGHT to safety. – Just like a RIGHT to healthcare, right?
    Well I’m off to check out B’s links. Goodnight and God bless.

  20. 2009 November 9
    kittykit permalink

    Well, here we go. The 911 links are starting now….what a suprise. I think we know where this is all going to go….again. Gotta keep the war mentality sharp. Got to get the support of the people.

  21. 2009 November 9
    kari8 permalink

    Oh B, you made me go back to AboveTopSecret after I had vowed to abstain for awhile! LOL! The points that they make are excellent, especially the VA Tech connection. They create these people so that they can fit whatever agenda, Cho and gun control, Hasan and Muslim hate! Now, pulling out the ole’ 911 card means that we are getting really close to a new war. Also, within like 5 minutes of the shooting, they were reporting that he spread hate on a blog. This means stricter internet controls, policing the internet and eventually controlling our speech.

    What was happening during the time of the shooting? 10,000 Americans had stormed the Capital demanding answers for what’s going on in the senate, now a backpage story.

    Also, the guys’ name was Hasan. Hassan-E Sabbah was the Muslim leader in Jerusalem during the crusades who led an order of militant Muslmin killing machines, called the Hassasans. It is where we get the name “Assasin” from today.

  22. 2009 November 9
    Lisa permalink

    Kari,
    That’s exactly what I meant when I said that the timing was awfully convenient. Only I heard that the number was closer to 30-40,000 people storming through the halls of congress. But who knows, since the mainsteam press all but ignored the story. And our president preempted the 5 o’clock slot with his speech. This is the time of day that Glenn Beck does his show – the man most likely to cover all the folks marching on Washington. I know that all the mainstream press spent over 3 hours tracking a big silver flying saucer shaped balloon, and then another 3 weeks talking about ‘balloon boy’, but not a peep about up to 40,000 protesters in the nation’s capitol??! And, if you will recall, the elections the Tues before went to mostly Republicans(sending a message about healthcare, I believe) and the press WERE talking about that – until there was another convenient massacre at FT Hood.
    Also, has anyone heard how this Hassan supposedly survived after being CONFIRMED dead??? I wonder if he is a patsy, or if people were supposed to believe he was dead, and then word got out somehow that he was alive causing a need fo a new report. And has anyone heard any info on how he got so many rounds off using only 2 handguns? I know a bit about guns, and the largest semi automatic handguns only hold about a 17 round clip. If he had 2 of these, he still would’ve needed to reload several times. But I heard that at least one of the guns was a revolver. These usually hold only around 6 bullets, I think. Think about how many times he would’ve had to reload that! It gets more and more ridiculous.
    Yes, I think they will definitely go after free speech and the internet next. I mean it wouldn’t do to let folks have access to information, would it? Especially since that’s where most of us turn to for info since our mainstream press doesn’t want to provide anything other than Anna Nicole’s bra size, and MacKenzie Phillips’ affair with her daddy. Sick, twisted and evil stuff.
    Btw Kit, have you heard of anyone in your area that actually has the swine flu? I hear lots of talk about it, but haven’t heard of anyone actually having it aound here.

  23. 2009 November 9
    kari8 permalink

    Hey Lisa,

    The first reports and Govenor Perry’s first Press Briefing said that there were at least 2 shooters and that one was shooting in the theatre, then that whole story disappeared. I don’t know, something is really wrong. He was reported dead for at least 6 hours and now he is suddenly waking up, as a lone shooter, ties to 911, blah, blah, blah. We will never get the the real facts.

    My son has had several friends that were diagnosed with the Swine Flu and my sister in North Carolina had it and it formed into Pneumonia. She is still recovering, she has been in bed for 3 weeks so far. I had to go down to N Carolina for a few days to help with her children while she was so sick. It’s odd that you don’t have it there. We have had several deaths in our little town, one being a 9 year old from my son’s old elementary school. I think B’s town is up to like 40 children’s deaths now. There is something very fishy about the whole swine flu, but I am not sure what it is, whether it be man-made or untested vaccines that have only God knows what in them, it is a mystery to me. Something we can just pray about and the Lord will give us the answers.

  24. 2009 November 9
    mrsbucket permalink

    Hey girls,

    We have had a ton of swine flu and many deaths. I think it has finally started to run it’s course. I have had 4 close friends who have had it, and all their children and one boy from my Church died, he had asthma and got pneumonia like Kari’s sister. I did not know him, but my friend was really good friends with his poor Mom. He was fourteen. Lucy’s sister in law had a friend who died that was an ER Nurse. So it’s strange our area seems to have been hit really hard.

    Oh did you guys see that where the initial reports of the shooter were 3 or 4 total people shooting? And Lisa is right, I never thought about all that ammo in those guns, and how did he get clearance to get those on a base? Or how did he get clearance to get them on base? Either way, that is kind of strange to me. This whole this is just a mess!!!! Kari I forgot about the theatre, I remember that too. I understand there being mass confusion out in society, like in a town but on a base? I just don’t get it girls, and we will never really know.

  25. 2009 November 9
    kittykit permalink

    Yes, we have lots of h1n1 here. Just had a kid die last week…

  26. 2009 November 9
    Lisa permalink

    Kari, I’m so sorry to hear about your sister. Pneumonia is serious! I hope she will be feeling much better soon. But I know she will be weak for at least a couple of months after she recovers. I had a bad case the summer after my first year in college, and it was months before I could walk across campus without having to stop and rest.
    And it sounds like B has a lot of severe cases in her neck of the woods too. The whole thing is fishy and scary, and I wonder if it is’practice’ for something worse to come. Did y’all hear about our poor soldier in Afghanistan who died of an Ebola type hemoragic virus? An outbreak of something like that would be tuly awful.
    B, what I wonder is how could the Ft Hood shooter have fired so many rounds from just 2 handguns, having to constantly reload, without at least being tackled by our combat trained troops? It doesn’t add up. Also I heard a report from an officer who heard the shooting going down. He said he also heard rifle fire. This man is a soldier, and a soldier KNOWS the difference between the sound of a handgun and a rifle. And then there’s the question of why MP’s didn’t take the shooter down, but a Kileen policewoman. It’s all too stange. The military had to call the town police for help???
    Btw, B, I really enjoyed your links.

  27. 2009 November 10
    Lisa permalink

    One more thing that seems strange to me and then I’ll shut up. It’s a bit off topic, but have you gals heard that John Muhammad, the DC Sniper is to be executed tonight? It’s only been 3 years since his conviction. That seems mighty quick to me.

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