Is Jesus A Myth? Debate…

2009 November 27
by kittykit

What Justin Martyr REALLY said!

The Shepherd Knows His Sheep John 10

2009 November 27
by kittykit

John 10

 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

 3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

 4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

 5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

 6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

 11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

 12But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

 13The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

 14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 19There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

 20And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

 21Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

 22And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

 23And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch.

 24Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

 25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.

 26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

 30I and my Father are one.

 31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

 39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

 40And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

 41And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.

 42And many believed on him there.

The Warning Passages in Hebrews

2009 November 26
by kittykit

The Warning Passages in Hebrews

Hebrews 2

 1Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

 2For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

 3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

 4God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Hebrews 3

12Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

 13But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

 14For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

 15While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

 16For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

 17But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

 18And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

 19So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4

 1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Hebrews 6

 1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

 3And this will we do, if God permit.

 4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

 8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

 9But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Hebrews 10

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 28He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

A Rebuke of the Manhattan Declaration Signers

2009 November 24
by kittykit

A Rebuke of the Manhattan Declaration Signers

11/22/2009 Pilgrims Covenant Church:  Pastor Ralph Ovadal 

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Christian Leaders Unite on Political Issues 

The New York Times

Published: November 20, 2009

Citing the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s call to civil disobedience, 145 evangelical, Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christian leaders have signed a declaration saying they will not cooperate with laws that they say could be used to compel their institutions to participate in abortions, or to bless or in any way recognize same-sex couples.

“We pledge to each other, and to our fellow believers, that no power on earth, be it cultural or political, will intimidate us into silence or acquiescence,” it says.

The manifesto, to be released on Friday at the National Press Club in Washington, is an effort to rejuvenate the political alliance of conservative Catholics and evangelicals that dominated the religious debate during the administration of President George W. Bush. The signers include nine Roman Catholic archbishops and the primate of the Orthodox Church in America.

Read More Here:  Religious Leaders Unite Against Abortion and Same-Sex Unions – NYTimes.com

Response from James White

Response from John MacArthur

King James Only? Gail Riplinger vs. James White, 1993, KRDS Radio

2009 November 24
by kittykit

Here is a link to Gail’s presentation on New Age Bible Versions:

 http://kittykit.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/differences-in-bible-translations/

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Power Point Presentation:  The King James Controversy-  James White

Download the King James Only Controversy PowerPoint Presentation.
(referenced and explained on the Dividing Line Webcast)

Pre-Wrath Rapture View

2009 November 24
by kittykit
 

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The Deception of Signs of Wonders

2009 November 24
by kittykit

Bread of Life Fellowship • Haledon, New Jersey

Pastor William Poss

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Romans 10

 1Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

 3For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

 7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

 8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Trapped in his own body for 23 years – the coma victim who screamed unheard

2009 November 23
by kittykit

Trapped in his own body for 23 years – the coma victim who screamed unheard

• Misdiagnosed man’s tale of rebirth thanks to doctor
• Total paralysis masked fully functioning brain

  • Kate Connolly in Berlin
  • guardian.co.uk, Monday 23 November 2009 13.13 GMT
  • Rom Houben,  46Rom Houben, 46, was diagnosed as being in a vegetative state after an accident in his 20s but can now communicate by computer keyboard. Photograph: VTM Belgium

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    For 23 years Rom Houben was ­imprisoned in his own body. He saw his doctors and nurses as they visited him during their daily rounds; he listened to the conversations of his carers; he heard his mother deliver the news to him that his father had died. But he could do nothing. He was unable to communicate with his doctors or family. He could not move his head or weep, he could only listen.

    Doctors presumed he was in a vegetative state following a near-fatal car crash in 1983. They believed he could feel nothing and hear nothing. For 23 years.

    Then a neurologist, Steven Laureys, who decided to take a radical look at the state of diagnosed coma patients, released him from his torture. Using a state-of-the-art scanning system, Laureys found to his amazement that his brain was functioning almost normally.

    “I had dreamed myself away,” said Houben, now 46, whose real “state” was discovered three years ago, according to a report in the German magazine Der Spiegel this week.

    Laureys, a neurologist at the ­University of Liege in Belgium, published a study in BMC Neurology earlier this year saying Houben could be one of many cases of falsely diagnosed comas around the world. He discovered that although Houben was completely paralysed, he was also completely conscious — it was just that he was unable to communicate the fact.

    Watch!!! Mark 13

    2009 November 23
    by kittykit

    Mark 13 

     1And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

     2And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

     3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

     4Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

     5And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

     6For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

     7And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

     8For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

     9But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

     10And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

     11But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

     12Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

     13And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

     14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

     15And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:

     16And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.

     17But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

     18And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

     19For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

     20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

     21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

     22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

     23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

     24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

     25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

     26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

     27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

     28Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

     29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

     30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

     31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

     32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

     33Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

     34For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

     35Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

     36Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

     37And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

    Dimensional Doors and the LHC (CERN)

    2009 November 22
    by kittykit

    ‘Something may come through’ dimensional ‘doors’ at LHC

    Attack of the Hyperdimensional Juggernaut-Men

    By Lewis Page

    6th November 2009 12:02 GMT

    A top boffin at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) says that the titanic machine may possibly create or discover previously unimagined scientific phenomena, or “unknown unknowns” – for instance “an extra dimension”.

    “Out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it,” said Sergio Bertolucci, who is Director for Research and Scientific Computing at CERN, briefing reporters including the Reg at CERN HQ earlier this week.

    The LHC, built inside a 27-km circular subterranean tunnel deep beneath the Franco-Swiss border outside Geneva, functions like a sort of orbital motorway for extremely high-speed hadrons – typically either protons or lead ions.

    The differences are, firstly, that the streams of particles are moving at velocities within a whisker of light speed – such that each stream has as much energy in it as a normal car going at 1000mph. Secondly, the beams are arranged in such fashion that the two streams swerve through one another occasionally, which naturally results in huge numbers of incredibly violent head-on collisions.

    These collisions are sufficiently violent that they are expected to briefly create conditions similar to those obtaining countless aeons ago, not long after the Big Bang, when the entire universe was still inconceivably small – it was smaller than a proton for quite some time, seemingly, still with all the stuff that nowadays makes up all the supra-enormity of space and galaxies and so forth packed in somehow.

    Naturally, some extremely strange phenomena are to be expected when one mangles the very fabric of space-time itself in this fashion. Various eccentric nutballs have claimed that this would doom humanity in one fashion or another; perhaps converting the entire Earth, everything on it and possibly the rest of the universe too into “strangelet soup”, monopole mulligatawny or some other sort of frightful sub-particulate blancmange or custard.

    It has also been suggested that cack-handed boffins at the LHC might inadvertently call into being a miniature black hole and carelessly drop this into the centre of the Earth, rather irritatingly causing the planet to implode. It’s certainly to be hoped that the button marked “Call Black Hole Into Being” on the control board has some kind of flip-down cover over it.

    Obviously all that’s utter rubbish. But some boffins have speculated that black holes might alternatively act as spacewarp wormhole portals into alternate universes, or something. This would seem to chime with Bertolucci’s remarks this week on hyperdimensional “doors” out of which might come unspecified “somethings”.

    So what have we got? Dinosaurs? Demonic soul-reapers? Parallel globo-Nazis? Hyperspherical juggernaut-beings? Come on

    Anyone who has watched a TV, read any sci-fi or seen any movies will be well aware that hyperdimensional spacewarp wormhole portals don’t normally lead to anything boring like empty space, parallel civilisations where humanity lives in peace and harmony or anything like that.

    Rather, it seems a racing cert that we’re looking here at an imminent visit from a race of carnivorous dinosaur-men, the superhuman clone hive-legions of some evil genetic queen-empress, infinite polypantheons of dark nega-deities imprisoned for aeons and hungering to feast upon human souls, a parallel-history victorious Nazi globo-Reich or something of that type.

    We took the matter up with Dr Mike Lamont, a control-room boffin at the LHC.

    “We’re hoping to see supersymmetry and extra dimensions,” he confirmed.

    Pressed on the matter of doors through which something might come, as hinted at by Bertolucci, Lamont rather elliptically said “well, he’s a theorist”, before recommending the book Warped Passages by physicist Lisa Randall. This explores ways in which extra-dimensional space and entities might interact with our own. It uses among others the example of how a sphere moving in 3D space would appear to someone living on a single 2D plane-space – that is as a mysterious circle suddenly blossoming into existence, growing, perhaps moving about and then shrinking down and vanishing again.

    “There’s no maths in it,” added Lamont encouragingly, having assessed the intellectual level of the Reg news team with disconcerting percipience.

    Summarising, then, it appears that we might be in for some kind of invasion by spontaneously swelling and shrinking spherical or wheel-shaped creatures – something on the order of the huge rumbling stone ball from Indiana Jones – able to move in and out of our plane at will. Soon the cities of humanity will lie in smoking ruins, shattered by the Attack of the Teleporting Juggernaut-tyrants from the Nth Dimension.

    Dr Bertolucci later got in touch to confirm that yes indeed, there would be an “open door”, but that even with the power of the LHC at his disposal he would only be able to hold it open “a very tiny lapse of time, 10-26 seconds, [but] during that infinitesimal amount of time we would be able to peer into this open door, either by getting something out of it or sending something into it.

    “Of course,” adds Bertolucci, “after this tiny moment the door would again shut, bringing us back to our ‘normal’ four dimensional world … It would be a major leap in our vision of Nature, although of no practical use (for the time being, at least). And of course [there would be] no risk to the stability of our world.”

    We say: Excellent. Who said the LHC was a waste of money? ®

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/06/lhc_dimensional_portals/

    More Reading: 

    A ‘New Dimension’ at the LHC